Non-argumentative political thread

"shop-teacher" (shop-teacher) 03/14/2016 at 23:00 • Filed to: Election

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Dagnabit I have to vote tomorrow. I really don’t like any of them on either side. I’m pulling a Rebublican ballott to vote against Trumpf, because I think he’s dangerous. If you disagree, that’s fine. I’m not interested in a debate, vote your conscience.

What are Oppo’s thoughts on Trumpf’s competitors? Good, bad, ugly, recommendations, whatever. Everybody’s thoughts are welcome, but I’m not interested in an argument.

Battle Wagon for your time (fuck I love this car!)

dogisbadob > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:04

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If you’re voting republican, Kasich is the easy choice, the only adult on that side.

On the democrat side, Bernie Sanders is the way to go.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:04

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I didn’t vote because I hate all of them passionately. I got my CCWP instead, since after walking in on a robbery, I thought that seemed like the sensible thing to do.

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:05

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Cruz and rubio are the lesser of three evils

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:06

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I almost want Trump to win because then I can say “told you so” to all the people who voted for him when it all goes to shit.

scoob > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:06

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All my hopes and dreams are currently invested in the theory that Drumpf is just working for Clinton.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > dogisbadob 03/14/2016 at 23:07

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though if it’s a protest vote against Trump then you have to vote Cruz, none of the others have a chance at getting enough candidates.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:07

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This will be the first election I can vote in.

I have no desire to help any of these people get into office.

CB > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:08

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My Republican roommate voted for Rubio.

DancesWithRotors - Driving Insightfully > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:08

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Over here in Missouri, I’m throwing my lot in for Bernie. On the Republican side, I’ve got to say Kasich or (maybe) Rubio, but honestly, they’re all terrible on the R side.

dogisbadob > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard 03/14/2016 at 23:09

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It depends on the state. Kasich is very close in Ohio, and he’s the governor there, too. If Kasich wins Ohio, he’s staying in the race.

DancesWithRotors - Driving Insightfully > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard 03/14/2016 at 23:09

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The problem is, Cruz is even worse than Drumpf. At least, for my self-interest.

JR1 > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:09

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Kasich is the man to vote for. As an Ohioan I can honestly say he has made my life better. He has been successful in keeping tuition rates down among other things

JR1 > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard 03/14/2016 at 23:10

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That's not true. Kasich has a real chance of winning Ohio

Brickman > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:10

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Then don’t vote? It’s your American right or something....

I don’t like any of them. Brickman for president! :D

itranthelasttimeiparkedit > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard 03/14/2016 at 23:10

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Everybody pretty much hates cruz though. CNN was doing a breakdown earlier tonight, if trump loses both ohio and florida that should be enough to kill his momentum. Then its just a question of who everyone gets behind, I would hope rubio or kasich.

Also I want one of those. I passed one on my commute every day for 2 years. HRRRRRRNG

interstate366, now In The Industry > dogisbadob 03/14/2016 at 23:11

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I voted for Kasich. In the general I’ll probably write someone in.

shop-teacher > Brickman 03/14/2016 at 23:13

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Oh, a write-in! Lego for all!!!

Brickman > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:14

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I’ll build a wall against mega blox and make them pay for it :P

shop-teacher > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 03/14/2016 at 23:15

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I felt the same way in the first election I could vote in (2000). I regretted not voting.

Take that for what it’s worth.

B/Xmrrmvr > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:15

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I don’t like any of the GOP candidates.

Question: If it came down to Trump vs. Clinton, who would you vote for? Also Trump or Sanders?

shop-teacher > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 03/14/2016 at 23:15

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Oh damn, that must’ve been scary!

V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:16

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I’d go with Kasich for the republicans and sanders for the democratic. Anything to stop trump. And I don’t trust Hillary.

^The USA if trump is elected...

shop-teacher > JR1 03/14/2016 at 23:16

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In my bit of research I’ve done, I’m thinking that’s the way I’ll go.

shop-teacher > scoob 03/14/2016 at 23:16

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Ha!

Slant6 > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:16

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I’m not sure if you agree with him at all but Bernie could really use your vote.

If he goes against Trump in the general he could easily win.

Birddog > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:16

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We made it just fine through LBJ, Carter and Clinton. Was it painful? Yeah. There’s nothing Trump or Hillary can do that would be any worse than any of them.

JR1 > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:17

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You're making the right choice

shop-teacher > Birddog 03/14/2016 at 23:19

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Very true. The president does not have the effect on our day to day lives that people think.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > JR1 03/14/2016 at 23:21

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Ohio, yes. Getting enough delegates to secure a nomination? no.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:21

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It wasn’t that bad at the time, it was realizing what had just happened as I got back in the truck that got me. They actually didn’t rob the store, they made eye contact with me after they pulled their hoods up and then fled. I guess they assumed I had a gun. I also was 8 hours in to a 12 hour shift, so I had a strong look of discust. Also, I’m a bigger guy with a beard, and always have a Bama cap on, so I look like a redneck looking for a fight.

shop-teacher > itranthelasttimeiparkedit 03/14/2016 at 23:22

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I could live with either Rubio or Kasich, but I’m thinking I’ll vote for Kasich.

The Roadmaster is just SO much fun to bomb around town in!

bobkustofawitshz > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:22

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I’m voting for Kasich. He’s got a great resume and seems to be the most moderate and reasonable of the bunch, and he hasn’t engaged in the ridiculous rhetoric and name calling the rest have. I think Trump is full of shit; while I like that he’s self-funding, he’s got no specifics and yes, I agree he could be dangerous. Cruz is just really unappealing to me; I find him strident, too conservative and he gives me a creepy-crawly feeling inside. I get the sense that Rubio is a GOPuppet who doesn’t feel comfortable in his own skin.

shop-teacher > Brickman 03/14/2016 at 23:22

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Hahahahahaha!!!

shop-teacher > Slant6 03/14/2016 at 23:24

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I like Bernie, but as much as I don’t care for Hillary, I think Trumpf is the bigger liability. I’m playing defense with my vote ... which I hate.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > DancesWithRotors - Driving Insightfully 03/14/2016 at 23:26

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I’m a card carrying democratic socialist and environmental activist so my goal would be for the least likeable one to go up against Sanders in the election.

shop-teacher > bobkustofawitshz 03/14/2016 at 23:26

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That’s pretty well sums up my view of them all.

Slant6 > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:28

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Well, I suppose it does some good.

But Sanders really does need your vote. I’m not a huge Hillary fan. I feel that Sanders is really the only one that’s not the typical “lesser of 2 evils” canidate.

shop-teacher > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 03/14/2016 at 23:28

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I’m also a big dude with a beard and the male equivalent of “resting bitch face”. I’ve never been in a fight because nobody wants to mess with me. I hope to keep it that way, because I have no idea how to throw a punch :)

vwbeamer > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:29

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Trump is the only one who can change things, everyone else is bought by big donors, Kasich is funded by Soros. How can you expect the people who caused the problem to fix it. And if you don’t see a problem , you need to pull your head out the sand. Bernie is a carrier politician, only job he has ever had is being an elected official. Trump is the only one that cares about the blue collar worker, the rest want to replace you with cheap foreign labor.

CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:29

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People hate Cruz because he pursuaded others to execute the wonderful gov’t shutdown to dismember Obamacare and then failed to do so. He’s a creepy fuck. And NYTimes bizarrely made an article on how he tried to make kids laugh.

Rubio is decent. He plays himself as a “moderate” but is a bit more right in the spectrum than the others.

Kasich is sane. He’s a uniter, but I really doubt he is one. I’d go for him. He’s rational about his decisions and isn’t an attention whore.

shop-teacher > Slant6 03/14/2016 at 23:30

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Fair point.

vwbeamer > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:31

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http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib…

Kasich funded by Soros. If you like a rich foreign liberal , then vote for Kasich.

DancesWithRotors - Driving Insightfully > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard 03/14/2016 at 23:33

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As a fellow Bernie supporter and a libertarian socialist, I feel you. However, half the country is dumb enough to vote for someone with (R) after their name, even if it’s Ted Cruz.

Slant6 > shop-teacher 03/14/2016 at 23:34

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Think about it this way. You’re fighting away Trump while sneaky Mrs. Clinton hits Mr. Sanders with a lead pipe and sneaks into your house behind your back. Then she kills you when you least expect it. Trump was just a distraction. And you are now dead.

shop-teacher > Slant6 03/14/2016 at 23:35

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Ha!

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > DancesWithRotors - Driving Insightfully 03/14/2016 at 23:37

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I don’t even live in the US so I don’t have a say in the matter. But whatever happens there will affect the rest of us.

MS3ws6 > shop-teacher 03/15/2016 at 00:13

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Kasich seems like a decent man compared to the rest of them.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > shop-teacher 03/15/2016 at 00:13

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Rubio has youth on his side, but that’s about all. My biggest fear about Trump is that Vlad’s Pootin’ and Li’l Fat Kim will push Trump’s button until he explodes; we already know he has thin skin.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 03/15/2016 at 00:14

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You don’t live in California...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Brickman 03/15/2016 at 00:16

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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > shop-teacher 03/15/2016 at 00:18

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I’m a little envious that you get to vote in a situation where your vote will mean something. I think your inclination to vote Kasich is a very good one and I would encourage you to stick to it, more so after reading all the comments here. A strong showing by Kasich might hinder Trump a little. Cruz? No way. Rubio? Dead man walking.

Breakfast Burrito: The True Resident Burrito > shop-teacher 03/15/2016 at 00:38

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I’m gonna go against the grain a little here and say research each candidate’s official positions from their website. No use in voting for someone if you don’t agree with what they want to do, and the current republican field varies widely in their positions.

If you find someone with ideas you like and think are feasible, look into their political history. See if what they promise online lines up with what they have voted for. If they changed their opinion on issues, was it because they were open minded or did they flip flop to get into office? Check out who is donating to them and how much (translation: how many favors they will owe), and generally think about their past accomplishments and whether they would make a good leader.

Then, think about their chance at a victory. Is there a candidate who might also be near to what you support with a better path to the presidency? Iterate these steps until you find your candidate.

If you find you would not want to lend your support to any candidate, I would almost recommend against voting in this primary. Low voter turn out still sends a signal to the party that the people are displeased with the candidates, and this will certainly be reviewed in future elections. Plus I think voting “anyone but X” is a smidge childish, as the “anyone” you pick might hold political positions which you could disagree with more.

Tapas > shop-teacher 03/15/2016 at 01:06

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Among the Republicans, Kasich is the least harmful, but still a harmful choice as President. Marco is the second most harmful. I am tied with Trump and Cruz as the most harmful President.

Good on you to do something to stop Trump. I appreciate that :)

Is there any chance you can change your affiliation and then vote for Bernie in the primaries after you vote against Trump? I think that would be even better :)

Tapas > bobkustofawitshz 03/15/2016 at 01:08

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He isn’t self funding. His website has a donate button and he’s taken around 6 million dollars in donations so far.

And the money he’s getting from his companies is a loan. So anything that’s not spent goes back. And this is purely me here, but it isn’t a far fetched assumption to think that the donated money gets spent first.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) 03/15/2016 at 02:43

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That is painful to watch. I wish I were that girl’s dad, and that I were there so I could punch that guy. She’s clearly disgusted and trying to escape while he’s got this pervy “get over here” look in his face.

shop-teacher > Tapas 03/15/2016 at 03:58

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Heh, while I DO live in Chicagoland, they still only let us vote once around here :)

CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 03/15/2016 at 04:33

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I still have this feeling in my mind all of Ted Cruz’s family are paid actors from the Midwest who are now trying to avoid his creepy ass

yamahog > dogisbadob 03/15/2016 at 06:02

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Unless you enjoy bodily autonomy, then they are really no Republican candidates. What else is new.

yamahog > shop-teacher 03/15/2016 at 06:09

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I’m alarmed at how many people seem to be buying into Kasich’s “see I’m soooo moderate!” campaign. He has seriously eroded reproductive rights on an almost-Texan level in Ohio, which, if you don’t care about the people affected, also ends up costing the state a ton in the long-term.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > shop-teacher 03/15/2016 at 06:24

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I too have never had to throw one. I did have to slam a kid into a locker, but only because he was bullying me.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/15/2016 at 06:24

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No, I do not.

Tapas > shop-teacher 03/15/2016 at 06:54

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Ah, gotcha.

I mean, it is different primaries....

shop-teacher > yamahog 03/15/2016 at 07:10

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Good to know, thank you. My primary vote won’t necessarily match my main election vote. I’m trying to make the best choice among the Republicans, because I strongly feel Trumpf is dangerous and I want to keep him out of there.

fryguy > shop-teacher 03/15/2016 at 07:11

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shop-teacher > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 03/15/2016 at 07:13

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Sounds familiar. In 5th grade gym class I picked up a kid who was bullying me by the neck and slammed him into the wall. The gym teacher was laughing his ass off, I did not get in any trouble.

shop-teacher > fryguy 03/15/2016 at 07:15

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True story!!!

JR1 > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard 03/15/2016 at 08:03

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I think it will be a contested election

BobintheMtns > JR1 03/15/2016 at 08:42

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You’re obviously not interested in women’s healthcare choices.... Kasich has been steadily chipping away at women’s choice since becoming governor. He’s probably the most successful (and sneakily stealth) governors at taking away women's rights.....

JR1 > BobintheMtns 03/15/2016 at 08:45

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Health care is not a major concern of main you are correct. In fact I think it might be one of the lowest concerns on my list.

BobintheMtns > JR1 03/15/2016 at 08:58

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Well... By “women’s healthcare” what I really meant a women’s right to choose. I, personally, find pretty disgusting when a political party (who’s major offer is to get government off our collective backs), feels that a legislative body (of 90% dudes) knows what’s best for a woman’s uterus.. It’s the principle.

Women and their own doctors should be making her decisions- not kasich and some hysterical puritans.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > shop-teacher 03/15/2016 at 09:20

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As someone who manages a small business I can tell you that is very wrong. My health insurance premiums have doubled while my employees out of pocket costs have significantly increased while actual coverage has been unchanged or gotten slightly worse. As a company we pay 100% of the health insurance premiums for our employees. Pre-Obamacare premiums were ~$800/mo for family coverage. Now the premiums are ~$1600/mo.

Employees don’t see anything beyond their out of pocket costs, and they bitch that those have gone up. They bitch that there aren’t raises to cover the increased costs, yet they don’t realize that we are eating a 100% increase in their premiums. You might not see how a presidents policies affect you daily, but they very much do.

As for who to vote for, I don’t know. This election has absolutely no good choices. On the Republican side Rubio and Kasich have no chance of getting the nomination so I couldn’t vote for them. Cruz is a nut job who I think is even more dangerous than Trump. Trump is an asshole and I couldn’t bring myself to vote for him. As for Hillary, I think she is incredibly dangerous, and being old enough to remember the Cold War I can’t bring myself to vote for a self professed socialist.

JR1 > BobintheMtns 03/15/2016 at 09:33

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Again not the major concern of mine. Although I agree it should be the right of the women to choose not the political party.

yamahog > shop-teacher 03/15/2016 at 09:34

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Understandable! I did something similar a few years back when Santorum was running.

BobintheMtns > JR1 03/15/2016 at 09:46

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Well.. If you don't care about principles....

just-a-scratch > shop-teacher 03/15/2016 at 12:51

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Huzzah! I commend you for your efforts at public discourse.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > shop-teacher 03/15/2016 at 17:31

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The gym teacher was watching the whole time for me as well, he laughed and told him to stop begging for it.

shop-teacher > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 03/15/2016 at 17:53

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If I recall correctly, the teacher called home to tell my mom what happened, and that the kid absolutely deserved it. Mom is no longer around to confirm that, but that’s how I remember it.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > shop-teacher 03/16/2016 at 01:17

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May I thank you for helping Kasich take Ohio?

shop-teacher > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/16/2016 at 07:09

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No, I’m in Illonois.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > yamahog 03/16/2016 at 07:16

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Ain’t Cruz, ain’t Trump. But I hear you.

Loud and clear.

yamahog > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/16/2016 at 08:04

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Until the GOP can pull their heads out of their asses socially, I can’t vote for them on a state or national level. I just can’t take anyone seriously when they say they’re against big government and then legislate the piss out of people’s personal lives. It ain’t my grandparents’ party any more.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > yamahog 03/16/2016 at 13:32

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Yup. My daughter turns 18 in two days and looks forward to participating in the election. She is WAY liberal, more so than I am — and very young, as aforementioned — but buth of us are doing the Calculus of what's going to be the strongest nonTrump vote, regardless of name or party.